Designed from data
Every concept starts in the numbers: what traders keep asking for, what the industry does not offer, what results across thousands of real accounts say could work. Nothing goes live on a hunch.
Labs
Labs
Phoenix Labs is where we invent the next Phoenix account types, in public. New concepts drop as real, tradable accounts: real rules, real platforms, real payouts. The concepts traders love graduate into the permanent Phoenix offer.
Most prop firms change their offer once a year, quietly. We build our own platforms and tools, so we can do something nobody else can: prototype new account types as real accounts and let the market judge them.
Every Labs account runs on exactly the same infrastructure as any Phoenix account: trade it on Odin, on Quantower, or from your own platform through the Thor copier.
You pass, you get funded, you request a payout, you get paid. That is the whole point: the entire journey has to work, end to end.
What is experimental is the economics: the price, the target, the drawdown have not proven themselves yet. That is exactly why the refund promise exists, in writing.
Live experiments, sometimes in several sizes each. They are temporary guests: the best of them graduate into the permanent offer. Your account is not temporary; whatever happens to an experiment, accounts already started live their full life.
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No focus groups, no surveys. New concepts prove themselves with real traders and real payouts, and the ones you love become permanent Phoenix accounts.
Every concept starts in the numbers: what traders keep asking for, what the industry does not offer, what results across thousands of real accounts say could work. Nothing goes live on a hunch.
The lab holds four slots, never more. When a slot is free, a new experiment drops on Monday at 15:00 UTC: a full account concept, sometimes in several sizes, priced and live from minute one.
Buyers trade it like any Phoenix account: same platforms, same data, real payouts. And your account is yours for its full life, evaluation to funded to paid, whatever happens to the experiment after you joined it.
Experiments are temporary guests in the lab. The concepts traders embrace, and whose math holds, may one day join the permanent offer at phoenixtraderfunding.com. And whatever an experiment does, every account already started plays out in full, at the rules it was bought under.
The lab only works if nobody ever gets hurt by an experiment. So the rules below are not marketing, they are the terms every Labs account is sold under.
A Labs account is an experiment
It is not part of the standard Phoenix Trader Funding offer: its economics are still being proven. What is never experimental is your side of the deal, and it is written into the terms every Labs account is sold under.
Whatever happens in the lab
Yes. A Labs account runs on exactly the same infrastructure as every Phoenix TFeed account, and you trade it on the same platforms: Odin, Quantower, or your own platform through the Thor copier. Payouts are real money. The only experimental part is the account's economics, never its execution.
It means the price, profit goal and drawdown of that concept have not proven themselves over a full population of traders yet. It might be priced too generously, or too tight. That uncertainty is exactly what the lab exists to measure, and it is why the refund promise exists in writing.
Experiments are temporary by nature: a concept visits the lab and one day stops taking new traders, because it graduated or simply left. There is no published end date. The one thing guaranteed is that your account is never affected: it continues under the rules you bought it at, all the way through.
Yes, completely. When a concept leaves the lab the normal way, graduating or simply closing to new traders, nothing changes for you: your account continues under its rules, all the way through. And in the rare case an account type is ever discontinued outright, every active account is refunded in full and payouts already earned are honored, automatically. Either way, there is nothing for you to watch or manage.
They come from listening: what traders keep asking for, what no firm offers, and what results across thousands of real accounts suggest could work. Nothing goes on sale on a hunch.
That is the dream outcome. A concept that keeps selling and keeps its economics healthy may join the permanent offer at phoenixtraderfunding.com, on its own merit and its own timeline. No promises, no dates: you will see it appear at phoenixtraderfunding.com when it happens.
One email per drop: the concept, the math, the slot it takes. Nothing else, ever.